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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:22 am 
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The purpose of this topic is similar to FAQ thread by Big Jim V = to help Prodos to better balance our favourite game. Difference lies in that this one discuss things that need change/removal rather than clarifying/better wording. It is my own initiative so if Prodos/Mods think it is unnecessary please remove it. Anyway if you find out that some skill/gear etc. need change/removal please post it with your explanation why it is situational/useless. Please follow below format. I think it will help to make everything simple and clear. I will start with Mishima:

Name of unit: Crimson Devils
Name of skill/gear: Ki Mirror Generator
Description: Crimson Devils do not use Ki Powers, but if the Squad Commander is upgraded with the ‘Ki Mirror Generator’ he can use one Ki Power of any friendly or foe Ronin Samurai Squad Commander within 6” at the normal cost. Squad Commander can buy a Ki Mirror Generator for 30 pts.
Opinion: It sounds fine to be able to use Ki with already awesome unit but when you look closer this gear is at best situational to completly useless. Firstly your Squad Commander must be within 6" of any Ronin Samurai Squad Commander. This short range greatly restricts your movement options. Secondly you are also forced to buy at least one Ronin squad or count for your opponent to bring one. Another factor is price. 30 pts for something so dependant of many things is way too much. You could better spend these points for additional Devils/heavy weapons or buy Ki power for someone that can use them without restrictions.
Verdict: This gear needs reduction of cost and/or possibility to use it with other units than Ronin and/or increase of its range. In its current incarnation I do not see it being taken in any Mishima lists.

Name of unit: Hatamoto
Name of skill/gear: Performance of Shiko
Description: ‘Turn to Burn’ 2 Resource Cards. One Hatamoto Model in the Squad may complete the ‘Performance of Shiko’. All Models within 6” of this Model (friendly or foe, excluding Hatamoto Models) count as being in Light Terrain (for the purposes of movement only), until the end of the Game Turn or until the Hatamoto is removed from the Game as a casualty.
Opinion: In theory this skill could prevent enemy charge or unable him to run from you. Its high cost (2 Resource) would see it rarly used if at all. Its benefits (-2 to enemy movement) are too small for what you can have instead when you spend 2 Resource Cards or use other actions. If I know my enemy want to charge me I would rather spend 2 cards for my 2 Hatamotos to have RoF 2 with their guns and shoot.
Verdict: This skill needs cost reduction and/or more benefits or be made passive rather than active. Now I would rather have it removed for something usefull like Heal (3) or ‘Impenetrable Armour (10)’ against Close Combat Attacks.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:11 pm 
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The Vorreiters "Skilled Drivers" is a fairly useless skill since it says they ignore the "Bulky" rule, but the vehicle rules state that no bikes or jetbikes are bulky.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 10:36 pm 
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Shadow Walker wrote:

Name of unit: Crimson Devils
Name of skill/gear: Ki Mirror Generator
Description: Crimson Devils do not use Ki Powers, but if the Squad Commander is upgraded with the ‘Ki Mirror Generator’ he can use one Ki Power of any friendly or foe Ronin Samurai Squad Commander within 6” at the normal cost. Squad Commander can buy a Ki Mirror Generator for 30 pts.
Opinion: It sounds fine to be able to use Ki with already awesome unit but when you look closer this gear is at best situational to completly useless. Firstly your Squad Commander must be within 6" of any Ronin Samurai Squad Commander. This short range greatly restricts your movement options. Secondly you are also forced to buy at least one Ronin squad or count for your opponent to bring one. Another factor is price. 30 pts for something so dependant of many things is way too much. You could better spend these points for additional Devils/heavy weapons or buy Ki power for someone that can use them without restrictions.
Verdict: This gear needs reduction of cost and/or possibility to use it with other units than Ronin and/or increase of its range. In its current incarnation I do not see it being taken in any Mishima lists.



I am going to respectfully disagree with you here. I think Ronin are going to be essential in a competitive Mishima list with Crimson Devils. They are going to assist with delivery of the Devils to your opponent (look at the range on the rifles - just 12 inch). Your main goal for the Devils is to get your grenades on target. With a instant wound generated by anyone hit by them, the Devils are going to be the prime target. In order to deliver said grenade you are are to need a cheap meat shield (Ronin) and a clever way to get close (Ki). So using powers like Path of the Rat, Speed of the Horse, or Leap of the Grasshopper are going to become essential. The only way to do that is with a Ki Mirror.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:19 am 
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Korcheski wrote:
Shadow Walker wrote:

Name of unit: Crimson Devils
Name of skill/gear: Ki Mirror Generator
Description: Crimson Devils do not use Ki Powers, but if the Squad Commander is upgraded with the ‘Ki Mirror Generator’ he can use one Ki Power of any friendly or foe Ronin Samurai Squad Commander within 6” at the normal cost. Squad Commander can buy a Ki Mirror Generator for 30 pts.
Opinion: It sounds fine to be able to use Ki with already awesome unit but when you look closer this gear is at best situational to completly useless. Firstly your Squad Commander must be within 6" of any Ronin Samurai Squad Commander. This short range greatly restricts your movement options. Secondly you are also forced to buy at least one Ronin squad or count for your opponent to bring one. Another factor is price. 30 pts for something so dependant of many things is way too much. You could better spend these points for additional Devils/heavy weapons or buy Ki power for someone that can use them without restrictions.
Verdict: This gear needs reduction of cost and/or possibility to use it with other units than Ronin and/or increase of its range. In its current incarnation I do not see it being taken in any Mishima lists.



I am going to respectfully disagree with you here. I think Ronin are going to be essential in a competitive Mishima list with Crimson Devils. They are going to assist with delivery of the Devils to your opponent (look at the range on the rifles - just 12 inch). Your main goal for the Devils is to get your grenades on target. With a instant wound generated by anyone hit by them, the Devils are going to be the prime target. In order to deliver said grenade you are are to need a cheap meat shield (Ronin) and a clever way to get close (Ki). So using powers like Path of the Rat, Speed of the Horse, or Leap of the Grasshopper are going to become essential. The only way to do that is with a Ki Mirror.

Range of CD rifles is 24 not 12. I do not agree that they are just platform for grenades. With Principle of Aiki they can have RS of 15 or CC 17 so can be very good at both. With 30 points, range of 6 and dependance of Ronin squad commander Ki generator is at best situational and not worth taking.


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